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			<title>Re-ordering Friendship, Love, and Enmity: A Biblical Reflection on Church Membership</title>
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			<description>Membership should reflect a living commitment to a local church in attendance, giving, prayer and service; otherwise it is meaningless, worthless, and even dangerous. What does the lack of church membership say to the rest of the world about the church? To be a member is knowingly to be traveling together as aliens and strangers in this world as we head to our heavenly home. Dr. Dever will explore church membership from a biblical and historical approach, touching on the most difficult issues, which keep many Americans from committing to church membership.</description>
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			<title>Dever on Church Membership and Discipline</title>
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			<description>Andy Naselli has some &lt;a href=&quot;http://andynaselli.com/theology/mark-dever-on-church-membership&quot;&gt;audio and video&lt;/a&gt; of Mark Dever speaking on church membership and discipline at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.</description>
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			<title>An Excruciating Case of Baptism and Membership</title>
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			<description>The blogosphere&#039;s recent roil over baaptism, membership and the Lord&#039;s supper has cooled a bit.  That&#039;s probably good.  It&#039;s the kind of conversation that requires reflection, not speed.  But my wife passed along &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glorytogodalone.com/blog/?p=7&quot;&gt;this personal situation involving baptism and membership&lt;/a&gt;.  Obviously this situation is exceptional, but it&#039;s worth the read, prayer and counsel for our brother.  For my money, make the local church&#039;s practice of baptism a higher priority than that of the parachurch organization.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:21:19 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Why Membership Matters (Part 1)</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The following is adapted from the Grace Church Elders&amp;rsquo; Distinctives on Church Membership.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;Why Membership Matters&quot; alt=&quot;Why Membership Matters&quot; src=&quot;http://www.sfpulpit.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/welcome2.jpg&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; /&gt;In a day when commitment is a rare commodity, it should come as no surprise that church membership is such a low priority to so many believers. Sadly, it is not uncommon for Christians to move from church to church, never submitting themselves to the care of elders and never committing themselves to a group of fellow believers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To neglect—or to refuse—to join a church as a formal member, however, reflects a  misunderstanding of the believer’s responsibility to the body of Christ. And it also cuts one off from the many blessings and opportunities that flow from this commitment. It is essential for every Christian to understand what church membership is and why it matters.&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Definition of Church Membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When an individual is saved, he becomes a member of the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13). Because he is united to Christ and the other members of the body in this way, he is therefore qualified to become member of a local expression of that body.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To become a member of a church is to formally commit oneself to an identifiable, local body of believers who have joined together for specific, divinely ordained purposes. These purposes include receiving instruction from God’s Word (1 Tim. 4:13; 2 Tim. 4:2), serving and edifying one another through the proper use of spiritual gifts (Rom. 12:3-8; 1 Cor. 12:4-31; 1 Pet. 4:10-11), participating in the ordinances (Luke 22:19; Acts 2:38-42), and proclaiming the gospel to those who are lost (Matt. 28:18- 20). In addition, when one becomes a member of a church, he submits himself to the care and the authority of the biblically qualified elders that God has placed in that assembly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Basis for Church Membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although Scripture does not contain an explicit command to formally join a local church, the biblical foundation for church membership permeates the New Testament. This biblical basis can be seen most clearly in (1) the example of the early church, (2) the existence of church government, (3) the exercise of church discipline, and (4) the exhortation to mutual edification.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Example of the Early Church&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the early church, coming to Christ was coming to the church. The idea of experiencing salvation without belonging to a local church is foreign to the New Testament. When individuals repented and believed in Christ, they were baptized and added to the church (Acts 2:41, 47; 5:14; 16:5). More than simply living out a private commitment to Christ, this meant joining together formally with other believers in a local assembly and devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and prayer (Acts 2:42).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The epistles of the New Testament were written to churches. In the case of the few written to individuals—such as Philemon, Timothy and Titus—these individuals were leaders in churches. The New Testament epistles themselves demonstrate that the Lord assumed that believers would be committed to a local assembly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is also evidence in the New Testament that just as there was a list of widows eligible for financial support (1 Tim. 5:9), there may also have been a list of members that grew as people were saved (cf. Acts 2:41, 47; 5:14; 16:5). In fact, when a believer moved to another city, his church often wrote a letter of commendation to his new church (Acts 18:27; Rom. 16:1; Col. 4:10; cf. 2 Cor. 3:1-2).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the book of Acts, much of the terminolgy fits only with the concept of formal church membership. Phrases such as “the whole congregation” (6:5), “the church in Jerusalem” (8:1), “the disciples” in Jerusalem (9:26), “in every church” (14:23), “the whole church” (15:17), and “the elders of the church” in Ephesus (20:17), all suggest recognizable church membership with well-defined boundaries (also see 1 Cor. 5:4; 14:23; and Heb. 10:25).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;(To be concluded tomorrow)&lt;/em&gt;
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:22:54 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Thoughts on the baptism/communion issue</title>
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			<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;rsquo;s think this through for a moment. There are a few things in all of this that have not been made very clear. What is the sign of the New Covenant (think carefully before you answer)? Let&amp;rsquo;s say for the moment that communion is the sign of the New Covenant then one must ask what signals entrance into this New Covenant. Most evangelicals understand that it is through faith in Jesus Christ and repentance from sin which ushers one into Christ thus making one His disciple. The sign that one has been made a disciple is baptism. Therefore should the sign of confessional (i.e., credo) baptism signal that one is ready for the communion table (and nothing else)? This seems to be the nexus of the debate that is swirling around blogville. What do you think and how would you answer?&lt;/p&gt;
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:45:31 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Historical Reflections on Baptism and Church Membership</title>
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			<description>Aaron Menikoff: &quot;Maybe it [is] simply worth noting that there is a long history, first in England, then in the States, of Baptists addressing the question of whether the unbaptized should be accepted into the membership of Baptist churches.&quot; He&#039;s written a couple of blog posts (&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.9marks.org/2007/08/historical-refl.html&quot;&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.9marks.org/2007/08/historical-re-1.html&quot;&gt;part 2&lt;/a&gt;) offering Historical Reflections on Baptism and Church Membership.</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:16:13 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>John Bunyan and the Grudem &amp; Dever vs Piper Baptism Debate</title>
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			<description>John Bunyan has been brought in to butress Piper&#039;s posisiton which had suffered from the declaration of Dever for the other side.  This remains a very good natured discussion, and demonstrates clearly the ability to be united around the gospel but disagree on secondary issues.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.9marks.org/2007/08/historical-refl.html&quot;&gt;Aaron Menikoff&lt;/a&gt; of the 9Marks Blog begins his post as follows -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it simply worth noting that there is a long history, first in England, then in the States, of Baptists addressing the question of whether the unbaptized should be accepted into the membership of Baptist churches.  To put it in a less sterile way, should the church really be split over a difference in baptism?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most famous account, and one that Mark has lectured on in academic circles, involved the famous tinker from Bedford, John Bunyan. The author of Pilgrim’s Progress defended his practice of allowing the paedo-baptists to join Bedford Baptist Church in Differences about Water Baptism No Bar to Communion (1673). Bunyan offered ten reasons to allow the unbaptized into membership . . .  &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;
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			<title>Baptism, Church Membership and Congregationalism by mdever</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, I&#039;m on vacation with my family, but I took print-outs of the Piper/Grudem exchanges on baptism and chruch membership.&amp;nbsp; 9Marks guys, can we weigh in on this?&amp;nbsp; What would you add to, disagree with, nuance in this argument?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Baptism SHOULD be required for church membership:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1)&amp;nbsp; Because Jesus clearly commanded baptism and to disobey this command is sin [whether intentional or not].&amp;nbsp; To continue in such an unbaptized state is unrepentant sin [whether intentional or not].&amp;nbsp; Thus, no careful paedo-baptist will follow John P&#039;s apparent &amp;quot;generosity&amp;quot; about membership.&amp;nbsp; That is, they will never knowingly admit someone to the Lord&#039;s Table that they understand to be unbaptized (even if they took that evangelical Quaker or believing Salvationist to be their brother or sister in Christ).&amp;nbsp; John P wants us to admit to the Lord&#039;s Table those that he and we all agree are not baptized.&amp;nbsp; John has no doubt that infant baptism is not baptism.&amp;nbsp; He is solid on that point.&amp;nbsp; But I think that actually leaves his position unusually open to other difficulties--knowingly admitting the unbaptized to regular communion.&amp;nbsp; I simply don&#039;t want to take the responsibility to so disregard Jesus&#039; commands (not that John P intends to in anyway disregard Jesus&#039; commands).&amp;nbsp; I especially don&#039;t want to do this in what has been an area of relatively unanimous Christian agreement from Jesus til now.&amp;nbsp; Baptism precedes the Lord&#039;s Table.&amp;nbsp; MUCH more could be said on this, but it probably already has been.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2)&amp;nbsp; Because according to the New Testament, it is not merely the elders, but the entire membership of the local church that bear responsibility for establishing and patrolling &amp;quot;border &amp;amp; boundary&amp;quot; issues of discipline (Mt. 18; I Cor. 5) and doctrine (Gal. 1; II Tim 4).&amp;nbsp; I think John P recognizes the importance of unity among such a responsible body, but he understands [I think] the local congregation NOT to be this responsible body, but rather the active followers of the elders--but merely followers.&amp;nbsp; A congregationalist on the other hand (as Baptists have traditionally been) understands that it is the congregation who must ultimately establish such issues. John P would NOT want such divisions on baptism in the body that he takes to be the final earthly adjudicatory--the elders--and neither would we Baptists.&amp;nbsp; The difference is, we think that body is the congregation as a whole, led by elders, yes, but only with the necessary and Biblical consent and cooperation of the congregation.&amp;nbsp; (So, in classic terms, John would be an independent, but not a congregationalist.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Much more we could say here, but, reader, please keep in mind that this is written by one who loves John Piper, appreciates his ministry (see earlier blog post) and who is planning to have an Anglican Dean and a Presbyterian former Moderator of the General Assembly preach in his Baptist pulpit in the next few months.&amp;nbsp; There is a great unity in active cooperation, honoring, encouragement and love that is not broken by our lamentable temporary separation over local church membership.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Guys, comments?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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			<title>Wayne Grudem&#039;s Response to Piper</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;(Author: Wayne Grudem)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Dear John,
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Thank you for the kind, gracious spirit in your response! 
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And thank you for your friendship, which has meant so much to me for so many years. 
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And thank you for helping me to think more clearly about the details of what I have written. You write so persuasively! In fact, last night I printed out &lt;a href=&quot;http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/08/grudems-change-of-mind-regarding.html&quot;&gt;what I had written&lt;/a&gt;  and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/757_response_to_grudem_on_baptism_and_church_membership/&quot;&gt;your response&lt;/a&gt;, and gave it to Margaret, and before we went to bed Margaret informed me with a smile, &amp;ldquo;I agree with John.&amp;rdquo; Now what can I say to that?? 
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Nevertheless, here are some responses:
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(1) I do not see denial of church membership as &amp;ldquo;virtually the same as excommunication,&amp;rdquo; nor do any of the Baptist churches known to me. 
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Non-members who are clearly believers in Jesus Christ are welcomed as believers into many aspects of fellowship. They share in the Lord&#039;s Supper together with members (in all but a very few of the most strict Baptist churches). They participate freely in worship and prayer and fellowship. Sometimes a Baptist church will even have a Bible-believing Presbyterian or Episcopalian or Methodist or Lutheran pastor preach as a guest from the pulpit. That is far from &amp;ldquo;excommunication&amp;rdquo;! 
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And in varying degrees (in different churches) non-members are encouraged to minister to others in the church — they can become active members of home fellowship groups (and in some churches, such as my own Scottsdale Bible Church, they can lead such groups). They can become (in various churches) members of the choir or worship team, youth group workers, ushers, greeters, and so forth. These all give visible signs of treating this unbaptized person as a brother or sister in Christ. (I realize that Baptist churches and denominations have varieties of allowed participation in such things, but they all allow &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; measure of participation and treat unbaptized Christians &lt;em&gt;as Christians&lt;/em&gt;.)  
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And surely a Baptist church would not give notice to the whole church that the unbaptized non-member should be &amp;ldquo;treated as an unbeliever from now on,&amp;rdquo; which would be done in the case of church discipline and excommunication. All these examples show that Baptist churches do not consider the refusal of membership to be equivalent to, or anything even similar to, excommunication.  So I am not persuaded by that part of your thoughtful response to me. 
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(2) But there is a still a clear difference between members and non-members. Unbaptized believers are not members, so they cannot be elders or church officers. They cannot speak or vote at church business meetings. In other words, they can have no formal, recognized part in determining the ongoing policies and teachings of the church. And there will be other activities that each church decides, for various reasons, to restrict to members. There is considerable freedom for churches to decide what they think is wise in this area, in my opinion. And I have seen considerable variety in the Baptist and other believer&#039;s baptism churches that I have known. But there is a clear difference, which I think is right. 
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(3) There was an unexpressed assumption in my discussion, an assumption which your response makes clear to me. I did not express it because it is so commonly assumed in nearly all churches. The assumption is this: 
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	&lt;em&gt;Baptism is required for church membership.&lt;/em&gt;
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I think I assumed this because, as far as I know, it has been the practice of all major denominations throughout history. Presbyterians believe that baptism is necessary for church membership (for they consider infant baptism true baptism). Episcopalians believe that baptism is necessary for church membership. Baptists believe that baptism is necessary for church membership. Pentecostals believe that baptism is necessary for church membership. Methodists believe this. The Evangelical Free Church of America (which allows both views of baptism) believes this. Independent Bible churches believe this. Even Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox churches believe this. Apart from some unusual groups that don&#039;t practice baptism at all (such as the Salvation Army), I think that the whole church throughout its history has held that baptism is necessary for church membership. 
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In the light of that assumption, which I have now made explicit by adding the words in boldface type, I think the section that you objected to makes good sense: [In this section I am explaining the problem that will arise &lt;em&gt;if a church decides to allow both views of baptism to be held and taught&lt;/em&gt;:]
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	On the other side, those who hold to believer&#039;s baptism (as I do) would have to be willing to admit into church membership people who have been baptized as infants, and who did not make a personal profession of faith at the time they were baptized.  But from a believer&#039;s baptism position,  &lt;em&gt;genuine&lt;/em&gt; baptism has to follow a personal profession of faith. So how can believer&#039;s baptism advocates in good conscience say that infant baptism is &lt;em&gt;also &lt;/em&gt;a valid form of baptism?  That contradicts what they believe about the essential nature of baptism — that is an outward sign of an inward spiritual change, so that the apostle Paul could say, &amp;ldquo;As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ,&amp;rdquo; Gal. 3:27. 
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	For someone who holds to believer&#039;s baptism, &lt;strong&gt;and who holds that baptism is necessary for church membership &lt;/strong&gt;[I just now added these words]&lt;strong&gt;,&lt;/strong&gt; admitting to church membership someone who has not been baptized upon profession of faith, and telling the person that he or she &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; has to be baptized as a believer, is really giving up one&#039;s view on the proper nature of baptism. It is saying that infant baptism &lt;em&gt;really is valid baptism&lt;/em&gt;! But then how could anyone who holds to this position tell anyone who had been baptized as an infant that he or she still needed to be baptized as a believer?  
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(4) Now it may be that someone would want to start a new denomination in which baptism is not necessary for church membership. Or people may decide to change their church constitutions so that baptism is no longer required for membership. People are free to do that if they wish. 
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In that case, I suppose a (hypothetical) Baptist church could say to someone, &amp;ldquo;&lt;em&gt;We require baptism for church membership, unless you disagree with our view of baptism&lt;/em&gt;. For those who disagree with us, we do not require baptism for church membership. Whether we require it or not depends on what you think of baptism.&amp;rdquo; I suppose a church could say that. 
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In such a church, they could allow an unbaptized person to be a member. If a godly, Bible-believing, born again Presbyterian (such as your examples of our friends Ligon Duncan or R. C. Sproul, or others) came and wanted to be a member, this (hypothetical) Baptist church could say to him, &amp;ldquo;&lt;em&gt;We don&#039;t believe you have been baptized, but you can become a member anyway&lt;/em&gt; because we allow unbaptized people like you to be members.&amp;rdquo;  
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(5) But I don&#039;t think I could support such a practice in a church.  I think the reason churches throughout history have required baptism for membership is that the New Testament so clearly makes baptism the public act that every believer undergoes at the outset of the Christian life. It is right there in the Great Commission: &amp;ldquo;Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, &lt;em&gt;baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,&lt;/em&gt; teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you&amp;rdquo; (Matt. 28:19-20). There is no such thing in the New Testament as an unbaptized person being an active member of any local church. So how could we say today that we should start allowing unbaptized persons to be members of our churches? But that (it seems to me) is what my earlier position, and your current position, would have to say. 
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I do not think such a position is wise, or consistent with the New Testament, and I would not recommend any church to adopt it. 
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Thank you again for your thoughtful, gracious response, John.
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Your friend,
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Wayne 
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			<title>Wayne Grudem Changes His Mind on Baptism</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Last year &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrianwarnock.com/2006/12/interview-dr-wayne-grudem-highlights.htm&quot;&gt;I intereviewed Wayne Grudem&lt;/a&gt; the leading systematic theologian of our day - at least in terms of readership of his Systematic Theology.  He spoke about changing his mind about baptism from a position that it is fine for a church to have a compromise position about it.   You can read what he had to say &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrianwarnock.com/2006/12/interview-wayne-grudem-part-seven.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Justin Taylor now reports that the relevant section in Grudem&#039;s book has been rewritten for a new reprint.  Justin has&lt;a href=&quot;http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/08/grudems-change-of-mind-regarding.html&quot;&gt; the whole new section&lt;/a&gt; on his blog, but here is an extract:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;But the most serious difficulty arises when people begin to think about what such a “compromise position” implies about the views of baptism held by the people who go along with this compromise. For &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;people who hold to infant baptism, they have to be able to say that it is acceptable for believing parents &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to baptize their infant children. But according to a paedobaptist view, this seems close to saying that is acceptable for these parents to disobey a command of Scripture regarding the responsibility of parents to baptize their children. How can they really say this? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;On the other side, those who hold to believer’s baptism (as I do) would have to be willing to admit into church membership people who have been baptized as infants, and who did not make a personal profession of faith at the time they were baptized. But from a believer’s baptism position, &lt;i&gt;genuine&lt;/i&gt; baptism has to follow a personal profession of faith. So how can believer’s baptism advocates in good conscience say that infant baptism is &lt;i&gt;also &lt;/i&gt;a valid form of baptism? That contradicts what they believe about the essential nature of baptism – that it is an outward sign of an inward spiritual change, so that the apostle Paul could say, “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Gal. 3:27). &lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;For someone who holds to believer’s baptism, admitting to church membership someone who has not been baptized upon profession of faith, and telling the person that he or she &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; has to be baptized as a believer, is really giving up one’s view on the proper nature of baptism. It is saying that infant baptism &lt;i&gt;really is valid baptism&lt;/i&gt;! But then how could anyone who holds to this position tell anyone who had been baptized as an infant that he or she still needed to be baptized as a believer? This difficulty makes me think that some kind of “compromise” position on baptism is not very likely to be adopted by denominational groups in the future. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;However, we should still be thankful that believers who differ on the issue of baptism can have wonderful fellowship with one another across denominational lines, and can have respect for each other’s sincerely held views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;
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			<title>That Whole Baptism Thing</title>
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			<description>&lt;br /&gt;		&lt;div xmlns=&#039;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&#039;&gt;This &lt;a target=&#039;_blank&#039; href=&#039;http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/757_response_to_grudem_on_baptism_and_church_membership/%0Ahttp://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/757_response_to_grudem_on_baptism_and_church_membership/%0Ahttp://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/757_response_to_grudem_on_baptism_and_church_membership/&#039;&gt;response to Wayne Grudem by John Piper&lt;/a&gt; is worth reading:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you don&#039;t know, Wayne Grudem is a Reformed Baptistic Charismatic whose Systematic Theology is (yes, I know that sounded odd) one of the better &quot;modern&quot; systematics.  It is the &quot;go to&quot; Systematic for many evangelicals.  He &lt;a target=&#039;_blank&#039; href=&#039;http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/08/grudems-change-of-mind-regarding.html&#039;&gt;recently revised&lt;/a&gt; his chapter on baptism.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Funny, I remember debating the old version of that chapter in college with folks who knew I was paedobaptist.  Even back then I found the chapter insufficient and uncompelling.  According to Piper, it has become even less so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Piper is arguing for what the &lt;a target=&#039;_blank&#039; href=&#039;http://pcanet.org&#039;&gt;PCA&lt;/a&gt; already does: admit baptistic Christians into membership while continuing to hold that their view on baptism is not correct.  He&#039;d like to see the same in Baptist churches, but has &lt;a target=&#039;_blank&#039; href=&#039;http://pastorshaun.blogspot.com/2005/09/immersing-baptists-in-presbyterians_01.html&#039;&gt;had some degree of difficulty&lt;/a&gt; in seeing that change occur in his own church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having &lt;a target=&#039;_blank&#039; href=&#039;http://viewcrestchurch.org&#039;&gt;just preaching last week&lt;/a&gt; on Peter’s vision of the sheet being lowered from heaven, the whole theme of what makes for unity in Christ has been at the forefront of my thinking.  The point of the vision was that Peter should not allow his religious traditions (dietary laws, Gentile uncleaness) to keep him from admitting a God-fearing Gentile into church membership.  Is it time for Baptists to stop calling sound, God-fearing Presbyterians unclean?  (And vice versa.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Related Tags: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>Grudem&#039;s Change of Mind regarding Differences on Baptism within a Local Church</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;While at a Christian bookstore today I noticed that Zondervan has retypeset Wayne Grudem&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/SYSTEMATIC-THEOLOGY-Introduction-Biblical-Doctrine/dp/0310286700/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8723356-8044146?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1186596784&amp;sr=1-1&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;Systematic Theology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, using the Minion font and a wider trim size. The result is quite attractive, with bigger margins for note-taking. (If you don&#039;t own the book, I&#039;d highly recommend purchasing it right away. It&#039;s excellent.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By and large the text (and pagination) are unchanged. But readers may be interested to know that Grudem completely rewrote section F1 (pp. 982-983) in the baptism chapter (ch. 49). Grudem previously argued for &quot;allowing both views of baptism [i.e., paedobaptism and credobaptism] to be taught and practiced in denominations on both sides of the question.&quot; Grudem has since changed his mind. Here&#039;s the rewritten section:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span&gt;Do Churches Need to Be Divided Over Baptism? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span&gt;In spite of many years of division over this question among Protestants, is there a way in which Christians who differ on baptism can demonstrate greater unity of fellowship? And is there a way that progress can be made in bringing the church closer to unity on this question?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Much progress in this regard has already been made. Christians who differ over baptism already demonstrate their unity in Christ through individual fellowship, Bible studies and prayer groups in their communities, occasional joint worship services, cooperation in city and regional evangelistic campaigns, joint support of many mission agencies and other parachurch groups, joint sponsorship of youth activities, pastors’ fellowship groups, and so forth. Although baptism remains a difference, that difference does not generally lead to harmful divisions. In fact, most Christians seem to realize that baptism is not a major doctrine of the faith.&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;A very few denominations have decided that they would allow both views of baptism to be taught and practiced within their denominations. The Evangelical Free Church of America (EFCA) does this, for example, as a result of a “compromise” reached in 1950 when the denomination was formed from two different groups that had different views on baptism. The EFCA allows ordination for pastors who hold to believer’s baptism and for pastors who hold to infant baptism. And they allow into membership those who had been baptized as infants in a Christian church, without requiring them to be baptized as believers before joining the church. If some parents want to have their infant child baptized and the local pastor does not hold to infant baptism, the local church invites some other Evangelical Free Church pastor who holds to infant baptism to come and baptize the infant. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Although the Evangelical Free Church continues as a strong, healthy denomination today, there still remain some difficulties inherent in this position. One is that there can be a tendency to minimize the importance of baptism: since members disagree on this topic, it is easier not to talk about it much or emphasize its importance. &lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;But the most serious difficulty arises when people begin to think about what such a “compromise position” implies about the views of baptism held by the people who go along with this compromise. For &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;people who hold to infant baptism, they have to be able to say that it is acceptable for believing parents &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to baptize their infant children. But according to a paedobaptist view, this seems close to saying that is acceptable for these parents to disobey a command of Scripture regarding the responsibility of parents to baptize their children. How can they really say this? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;On the other side, those who hold to believer’s baptism (as I do) would have to be willing to admit into church membership people who have been baptized as infants, and who did not make a personal profession of faith at the time they were baptized. But from a believer’s baptism position, &lt;i&gt;genuine&lt;/i&gt; baptism has to follow a personal profession of faith. So how can believer’s baptism advocates in good conscience say that infant baptism is &lt;i&gt;also &lt;/i&gt;a valid form of baptism? That contradicts what they believe about the essential nature of baptism – that it is an outward sign of an inward spiritual change, so that the apostle Paul could say, “As many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ” (Gal. 3:27). &lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;For someone who holds to believer’s baptism, admitting to church membership someone who has not been baptized upon profession of faith, and telling the person that he or she &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; has to be baptized as a believer, is really giving up one’s view on the proper nature of baptism. It is saying that infant baptism &lt;i&gt;really is valid baptism&lt;/i&gt;! But then how could anyone who holds to this position tell anyone who had been baptized as an infant that he or she still needed to be baptized as a believer? This difficulty makes me think that some kind of “compromise” position on baptism is not very likely to be adopted by denominational groups in the future. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;However, we should still be thankful that believers who differ on the issue of baptism can have wonderful fellowship with one another across denominational lines, and can have respect for each other’s sincerely held views.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Notes&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;1. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;I realize that some readers will object to this sentence and will say that baptism is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt;&lt;u&gt; &lt;/u&gt;&lt;i&gt;important&lt;/i&gt; because of what the differing positions represent: differing views of the nature of the church. Many Baptists would argue that &lt;i&gt;practicing&lt;/i&gt; infant baptism is inherently inconsistent with the idea of a church made up of believers only, and many paedobaptists would argue that &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;u&gt; &lt;/u&gt;&lt;i&gt;practicing&lt;/i&gt; infant baptism is inherently inconsistent with the idea of a covenant community which includes the children of believers. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I would encourage those who reason this way to consider how much they hold in common with evangelical believers on the other side of this issue -- not necessarily with those far from them on other matters as well, but especially with those on the other side who agree with them on most other aspects of the Christian life. Many Baptists &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; encourage and demonstrate a valued place for their children within their churches, and many paedobaptists &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; pray for the&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;salvation of their &lt;i&gt;baptized&lt;/i&gt; children with the same fervency with which Baptist parents pray for the salvation of their &lt;i&gt;unbaptized&lt;/i&gt; children. Regarding church membership, evangelical paedobaptists &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; require a believable profession of faith before children can become full members of the church (their term is &quot;communicant members&quot;; that is, those who take Communion). They also require a believable profession of faith before any adults are allowed to join the church. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;When these procedures are functioning well, both Baptists and paedobaptists use very similar procedures as they seek to have a church membership consisting of believers only, and both love and teach and pray for their children as most precious members of the larger church family who they hope will someday become true members of the body of Christ.&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;2. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang=&quot;EN-GB&quot;&gt;I did not realize this difficulty when I first published this book in 1994. I have revised this entire section for the 2007 printing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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			<title>Applied Ecclesiology, or Questions That Make For Long Elders&amp;#039; Meetings by Greg Gilbert</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;Suppose you have a church member who moves away from your city to another place.&amp;nbsp; He does not join another church but tells you again and again that he&#039;s looking for one.&amp;nbsp; For a while, you&#039;re able to keep up with him through phone calls and emails, but time passes and you eventually realize that you no longer know a whole lot about this brother&#039;s life.&amp;nbsp; He has not resigned his membership at your church, nor have you gotten any word that he has joined another one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, obviously you can&#039;t allow such a person to remain a member of your church indefinitely.&amp;nbsp; So what do you do?&amp;nbsp; Do you recommend to your congregation that they discipline this brother?&amp;nbsp; If so, for what?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or do you simply &amp;quot;release him to the world,&amp;quot; so to speak, recognizing that the covenant he once had with you and the church is no more? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:05:15 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Presbyterians Report 2006 Losses, Gains</title>
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			<description>Active membership in the nation&#039;s largest Presbyterian body has dropped to nearly 2.3 million. The number of churches is also on a continual ...</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:05:07 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>The Purity of New Covenant Membership as a Defense of Credo-Baptism</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Some of you may wonder, &quot;Why even post on such a controversial topic, when many godly men and qualified exegetes may be found on both sides of the question?&quot; I agree that there are other more important issues on which we should expend the bulk of our energies; but baptism is a precious sign from God, and its importance should not be diminished, either. So when a Baptist friend of mine asked for some feedback on an article he had written defending credo-baptism (the link to his article is at the bottom of this post), I decided to post my response here, as well. I trust that any dialogue may be useful in helping all of us grow up to greater doctrinal maturity, and will be employed with love and an acknowledgement of our unity in the gospel.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although many credo-baptists will base their argumentation on the fact that every clear New Testament example of baptism follows a confession of faith, there are some who recognize the problem with this argument, namely, that while it is helpful and gives clear exemplary warrant for the practice to be followed in like cases for the church today, it does not provide any example to be followed for the case in question: what do we do with the children of believers. If we had a clear New Testament example for this situation, the debate would be effectually over. But as it is, we are forced to bring other scriptural data to bear on a question which is not explicitly addressed in the bible. Recognizing this shortcoming of exemplary New Testament texts, these Baptist apologists have largely based their arguments on the prophesied difference between the Old and New Covenants, with respect to the purity of their respective membership. On a number of points, they are to be commended; for first, they have recognized the need for additional biblical evidence; and second they have sought this additional evidence in the right place – they have honed in on the true locus of the debate. The strands of evidence we must employ, in the pursuit of a biblical stance on the baptism issue, have ultimately to do with the nature of the New Covenant, and the quality of its members.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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			<title>The Centrality Of The Church In The Christian Life</title>
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			<description>An emphasis on church membership is often absent in much of evangelical life.  So how should Christians understand their own identity in light of the local church?  Mark Dever and C.J. Mahaney join us in the studio today for a helpful conversation on the subject.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:51:42 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Church Membership</title>
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			<description>Boundless&#039;s Suzanne Hadley writes about Mark Dever&#039;s views on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001460.cfm&quot;&gt;membership in a local church&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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			<title>A Credible Profession of Faith</title>
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			<description>Reformed theology draws a distinction between a saving profession of faith and a credible profession of faith. A credible profession of faith is what is required for church membershipat least in the case of adults. 
The members of the true church are limited to the elect or regenerate. 
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			<title>OK, how about Tera-church?</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;As commenter Erich Heidenreich noted yesterday, my new word for mega-mega churches, giga-church, has already been coined.  According to the Washington Post article from three years ago, quoting church growth guru Bill Easum, a megachurch has 2,000 in attendance per Sunday; a gigachurch has 10,000.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So that church I blogged about already was a gigachurch, and now it is launching 9 satellites linked together by video worship.  If they all grow as much as the mother ship, and why wouldn&#039;t they?, the church can boast an attendance of 100,000.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So we need to go to commenter Pete&#039;s term, for which he deserves total credit and mention in the Oxford English Dictionary:  Terachurch.  (I don&#039;t know whether it should be hyphenated or spelled with a capital letter in the middle of a jammed-together compound word, TeraChurch, one of the most annoying spelling affectations of our day.)  The word has the added virtue of sounding like &quot;parachurch.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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